MAX10 second PLL issue - MAX10 second PLL issue Hello, This is my configuration: Device MAX10 (10M16DCF256C8G) Quartus Prime Version 24.1std Build 1077 I need to use a second PLL, but it is not working. I have tried very hard and read the user manual several times. But without success. Even with fairly relaxed values: 25 MHz inclk, 25 MHz outclk on the first PLL and 75 MHz on the second PLL. 1) Identical clock source: Both PLLs are controlled by the same pin (CLK0p, PIN_L3, can be used for PLL1 and PLL3). -> Doesn't work. Only one PLL receives a “locked” signal (PLL1). 2) Cascading of PLLs: The first PLL outclk is connected to the second PLL inclk. -> This does not work either. 3) Different clock sources: One PLL is controlled by PIN_L3 (CLK0p), the other by PIN_K6 (CLK1p). Both have 25 MHz, but different sources. Unfortunately, I can only use these two pins at the moment. -> Doesn't work either. 4) Adding CLKCTRL: I have tried adding CLKCTRL in many combinations, but without success. I am frustrated because it won't work. What am I doing wrong? Is there a limitation that I haven't recognized yet? By the way: there is no hint or error message from Quartus. Replies: Re: MAX10 second PLL issue I found the cause. That was a good example of rubber duck debugging. With the answers from @FvM and @ShengN_Intel in mind, I simplified the design until only the PLLs remained. Now I noticed that PLL_3 never worked. And that was strange. The cause was quickly found: in the hardware design, we forgot to connect the power supply for PLL_3 (VCCD_PLL3, PIN_D4) . How annoying! Fortunately, I can switch to PLL_2. Thank you very much for your support. It was a great help. Regards, Helmut Replies: Re: MAX10 second PLL issue Thank you for your prompt reply! Yes, I saw that note. But I must admit that I didn't follow it consistently. So, I'll try again. Regards, Helmut Replies: Re: MAX10 second PLL issue Thank you for your prompt reply! I am glad to hear that it should work in general. I did not have this problem with Cyclone_V. But with MAX10. It is our own design, which ran stably when using a PLL. However, I will check the quality of the clock. Perhaps there is a problem here that has not been noticed until now. Regards Helmut Replies: Re: MAX10 second PLL issue Hi, Please check this document page 31 https://cdrdv2-public.intel.com/666937/ug_m10_clkpll-683047-666937.pdf Two PLLs are cascaded to each other through the clock network. If your design cascades PLLs, the source (upstream) PLL must have a low-bandwidth setting and the destination (downstream) PLL must have a high-bandwidth setting. And page 53 for Programmable Bandwidth Parameter Settings. Thanks, Regards, Sheng Replies: Re: MAX10 second PLL issue Hi, I had no problems yet to drive multiple PLLs of MAX10, Cyclone 10 LP and earlier FPGA series from a single clock input. Is it a ready-made evalboard or your own design? Can be that you have either an unstable clock source or a noisy PLL power supply. Regards Frank - 2025-09-24

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